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We are looking at getting a third button that will allow the member to click that to have both stories and poems visible like it used to be. That way, everyone wins. Please be patient in regards to this and we will see when it can get done.
Thank you.
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We are looking at getting a third button that will allow the member to click that to have both stories and poems visible like it used to be. That way, everyone wins. Please be patient in regards to this and we will see when it can get done.
Thank you.
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We are looking at getting a third button that will allow the member to click that to have both stories and poems visible like it used to be. That way, everyone wins. Please be patient in regards to this and we will see when it can get done.
Thank you.
I still fail to see, why poetry should not be there on the homepage. The buttons on the left offer every visitor the opportunity to view the genre he likes without banning one specific genre from the frontpage. In my humble opinion toggling between prose and verse isn't bad, but first of all, let that be an option and don't give preference on the homepage to either one, and second, do it consistently. Songs are poetry too, yet that remained on the homepage.
The homepage has always been the place, where every author in every genre got equal exposure for new work. The current change tells a specific group of writers, the poets among us, that their genre is less important than the rest. Even if you choose to ignore the impact of that on current members, it certainly makes SS less attractive for poets.
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We are looking at getting a third button that will allow the member to click that to have both stories and poems visible like it used to be. That way, everyone wins. Please be patient in regards to this and we will see when it can get done.
Thank you.
I still fail to see, why poetry should not be there on the homepage. The buttons on the left offer every visitor the opportunity to view the genre he likes without banning one specific genre from the frontpage. In my humble opinion toggling between prose and verse isn't bad, but first of all, let that be an option and don't give preference on the homepage to either one, and second, do it consistently. Songs are poetry too, yet that remained on the homepage.
The homepage has always been the place, where every author in every genre got equal exposure for new work. The current change tells a specific group of writers, the poets among us, that their genre is less important than the rest. Even if you choose to ignore the impact of that on current members, it certainly makes SS less attractive for poets.
Paul, poetry is not and never has been banished from the home page. Under the two-button system, it was given its own home page, right next to the stories home page. The addition of a View All button will return to the days of yore when everything was intermingled on one start page.
Those who want to see all works, whether stories or poems, will be able to. Those who prefer stories can choose that option, and poetry lovers can opt to see only poems. It's a good thing. :-)
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And for those who want to toggle, leave those new buttons where they are as an addition to all the buttons on the left.
Quote by magnificent1rascalThanks Maggie, until now, it wasn't clear to me, the show-all was to be the default. That does solve the issue for me. And of course I'll be patient. I understand how busy you all are and I promise you, I'll never take you guys for granted.Quote by paulus
And for those who want to toggle, leave those new buttons where they are as an addition to all the buttons on the left.
That's exactly what we're talking about doing, Paul. I'm certain that the View All tab will be the default home page.
The tabs were added to provide more viewing options, not to exclude any category. In fact, it could be argued that providing poetry a separate page actually increases its exposure among readers who are looking for poems.
Please be patient as we work to implement the View All option. These things take time, especially when the staff is made up entirely of volunteers.
No more back-and-forth on this topic is necessary. The members spoke, and your concerns are being addressed.
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Thanks Maggie, until now, it wasn't clear to me, the show-all was to be the default. That does solve the issue for me. And of course I'll be patient. I understand how busy you all are and I promise you, I'll never take you guys for granted.
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Thanks Maggie, until now, it wasn't clear to me, the show-all was to be the default. That does solve the issue for me. And of course I'll be patient. I understand how busy you all are and I promise you, I'll never take you guys for granted.
I am glad you do not take them for granted. They are much classier than that; mostly marble with a touch of quartz and a smattering of limestone.
Sorry, but I like to end a thread with some humor.
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If I may throw in one last suggestion: would it not be better to change those buttons to Prose and Verse (or Poetry), and put songs ij the second group as well? Poems are stories too, so that name would be incorrect, and songs on the other hand, are usually poems too.
Quote by Circle_SomethingI could say exactly the same about the layout of the homepage. Why change it, when it has always worked fine? Still, change is what we're facing. I think the whole point of that change is, to make it possible, to list prose without having to sift through poetry and the other way around. That is fine by me, but do it consistently and use the correct labels. If I am correct, it was you, that claimed poems are stories too. So to claim now, that poems are not stories, is inconsistent to say the least.Quote by paulus
If I may throw in one last suggestion: would it not be better to change those buttons to Prose and Verse (or Poetry), and put songs ij the second group as well? Poems are stories too, so that name would be incorrect, and songs on the other hand, are usually poems too.
But why change a label that has worked for years and continues to work? It's perfectly functional and accurate, and appeals to all. Some people get scared away when they see the words "prose" and "verse" because it seems much more formal than it actually is. That's not something we want happening here.
Quote by paulusQuote by Circle_SomethingI could say exactly the same about the layout of the homepage. Why change it, when it has always worked fine? Still, change is what we're facing. I think the whole point of that change is, to make it possible, to list prose without having to sift through poetry and the other way around. That is fine by me, but do it consistently and use the correct labels. If I am correct, it was you, that claimed poems are stories too. So to claim now, that poems are not stories, is inconsistent to say the least.Quote by paulus
If I may throw in one last suggestion: would it not be better to change those buttons to Prose and Verse (or Poetry), and put songs ij the second group as well? Poems are stories too, so that name would be incorrect, and songs on the other hand, are usually poems too.
But why change a label that has worked for years and continues to work? It's perfectly functional and accurate, and appeals to all. Some people get scared away when they see the words "prose" and "verse" because it seems much more formal than it actually is. That's not something we want happening here.
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We are looking at getting a third button that will allow the member to click that to have both stories and poems visible like it used to be. That way, everyone wins. Please be patient in regards to this and we will see when it can get done.
Thank you.
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And for those who want to toggle, leave those new buttons where they are as an addition to all the buttons on the left.
That's exactly what we're talking about doing, Paul. I'm certain that the View All tab will be the default home page.
The tabs were added to provide more viewing options, not to exclude any category. In fact, it could be argued that providing poetry a separate page actually increases its exposure among readers who are looking for poems.
Please be patient as we work to implement the View All option. These things take time, especially when the staff is made up entirely of volunteers.
No more back-and-forth on this topic is necessary. The members spoke, and your concerns are being addressed.
Quote by Circle_SomethingQuote by paulusQuote by Circle_SomethingI could say exactly the same about the layout of the homepage. Why change it, when it has always worked fine? Still, change is what we're facing. I think the whole point of that change is, to make it possible, to list prose without having to sift through poetry and the other way around. That is fine by me, but do it consistently and use the correct labels. If I am correct, it was you, that claimed poems are stories too. So to claim now, that poems are not stories, is inconsistent to say the least.Quote by paulus
If I may throw in one last suggestion: would it not be better to change those buttons to Prose and Verse (or Poetry), and put songs ij the second group as well? Poems are stories too, so that name would be incorrect, and songs on the other hand, are usually poems too.
But why change a label that has worked for years and continues to work? It's perfectly functional and accurate, and appeals to all. Some people get scared away when they see the words "prose" and "verse" because it seems much more formal than it actually is. That's not something we want happening here.
I'm not saying that poems are not stories, so don't try to put words in my mouth. I'm simply saying that when people look at stories, they know they're getting stories, when they look at poems, they know they're getting poems. It's concise enough, so why change it? That's all. Also, don't bring another thread into this thread, especially one that has been locked. They're separate subjects, so let it go.
“Many people hear voices when no one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing.”
Quote by SherzahdI'll be as patient as the lions beneath Nelson's Column. I do want to say this however:
Just popping in here to let everyone know that we're working on finding a solution that suits everyone, we've not forgotten about your suggestions, so please be patient.
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I'll be as patient as the lions beneath Nelson's Column. I do want to say this however:
Before I first came to stories space, I had written some poetry, but mainly to go with a gift from Saint Nicholas. Reading poetry was something I hated. Because on stories space they were mixed in with the other genres, I kept seeing them and reading snippets of them. Over time, reading snippets turned into actually reading poems, and I actually started to like them. Today I love poetry as much as I love a good book. That would never have happened without that homepage, that showed all stories, regardless of genre.
“Many people hear voices when no one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing.”
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A third tab has now been added.
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A third tab has now been added.
That's great! Thanks for the quick change.
However — and I apologize for being nitpicky about it — the All tab really ought to be the default. Otherwise, as Paul has pointed out,
poems won't appear on the landing page that everyone sees, including guests who aren't necessarily aware that the different tabs exist.
“Many people hear voices when no one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing.”
Quote by SherzahdIn other words, poetry still has no place on the homepage. The ability to change the default is nice, but it's only useful for regular visitors. Guests still won't see the poetry. Apart from the unfairness to the poets here, have you considered what it does to the appeal of SS to poets, who might consider joining? Their first visit gives them a homepage saying: by default, your work won't be shown here.Quote by magnificent1rascalQuote by Sherzahd
A third tab has now been added.
That's great! Thanks for the quick change.
However — and I apologize for being nitpicky about it — the All tab really ought to be the default. Otherwise, as Paul has pointed out,
poems won't appear on the landing page that everyone sees, including guests who aren't necessarily aware that the different tabs exist.
There's an option to change your default tab in your settings.
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However — and I apologize for being nitpicky about it — the All tab really ought to be the default.
